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Kayland Super ice

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100% of reviewers	None indicated	8.5

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I would like to have some confirmation about this boot. Today I tried in store. The boot is very confortable, a good fit for large foot and general light. My question is about the fit with crampon. I read some reviews on net that the fit was not very good. Before to purchase I would like to know if someone have comment about it. I've M10 from petzl. Thanks


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scotchrocks

Registered: November 2004
Location: NYC
Posts: 49

Review Date: Wed December 12, 2007

Would you recommend the product? Yes | Price you paid?: None indicated | Rating: 8

Positive aspects of the product (pros):	fit, feel
Cons:	durability

These are the best boots I've had, specifically in terms of fit, climbing feel and hiking comfort. I have a normal to wide foot, wear orthos for flat feet (which probably pushes the size up 1/2 to a 12), and have had trouble getting boots to work. I've worn Asolo, Scarpa, Solomon, and these have fit and felt by far the best.

They are warm, seem to remain waterproof over time, and perform well on hard to moderate terrain. They seem to hike well, although I have not walked more than a couple of miles in them. They climb NEI 5/M5 as well as I ever do, beyond that the Kayland M11 is probably a better choice at 100 grams lighter, or those faerie boots the pros wear. The SuperIce are around 1000 grams depending on size. I've never climbed below 0 F, but the boots have kept me warm down to that.

I've recently had some delamination in both heels. However I think my local cobbler can deal, and Kayland was very responsive, if I wanted to send them in for a 2-4 week repair (as if, during the season). I have also had some minor seam separation on the top of the boot, but SuperGlue seems to have dealt with that (I'd have had it resewn, but that would puncture the inner bladder). I think that that issue is likely addressed by a slight redesign of the upper, which eliminates the vulnerable point where I had a small tear (crampon probably).

Finally, these are asymmetrically soled shoes, so in theory only newer rigid or semi-rigid crampons (recent Grivel Rambo, Charlet/Petzel M10s) with an asymetrical fit should work. However I have been using old non-asymetrical M8s and have had no trouble. I'm not recommending this as more experienced users of asymmetrical boots have indicated there can be problems with fit.

UPDATE: I had the delamination addressed by a professional cobbler - much the better option over the local shoe guy: Dave Page is the one I went with: http://www.davepagecobbler.com/ I can highly recommend Dave and he seems to have definatively addressed the issue. They had to spend a lot of time removing 'contamination' from the local shoe repairs I had done, and I would recommend not doing as I did if you want to repair expensive mountaineering boots - go with a pro who knows.

mainefinn

Registered: February 2006
Location: Maine
Posts: 417

Review Date: Mon September 22, 2008

Would you recommend the product? Yes | Price you paid?: None indicated | Rating: 9

Positive aspects of the product (pros):	fit, feel, comfort
Cons:	none

Previous review is right on however I fixed my heels with sportsmans goop or something like that and have one hard season on the fix and no sign of any intent to delam. I have had the boots to -20F and they were still ok, but it was a short day none the less. By far my favorite boot and I have a pair of Cyborgs that seem to fit ok. Just have not decided on how much front point to reveal.